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    sam and hailey pictures?

    I was web surfing for more info or fansites on , when i found these two apparent 'pictures' of Sam and Hailey:

    http://www.markzdanielewski.info/SBio.html

    http://www.markzdanielewski.info/HBio.html

    Do they have any validity? Or are they just fan inspired theories?

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    Heh. Those are Exploration Z's inspired images of Sam and Hailey. Simple as that.

    Obviously based on the text of the book. I imagined Sam as white until that one phrase: "negroid boy." There is other evidence as well.

    Good thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellimist
    Heh. Those are Exploration Z's inspired images of Sam and Hailey. Simple as that.

    Obviously based on the text of the book. I imagined Sam as white until that one phrase: "negroid boy." There is other evidence as well.

    Good thread.
    That may be but page Sam 102 the Heel Commissioner says "we don't administer to her kind"?

    Personally, i interpret 'races' in OR as something really indefinite.
    Last edited by Chiu Mun-Jun; 07-01-2007 at 06:11 PM.

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    Because the Creep is purple?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellimist
    Because the Creep is purple?
    yes
    Last edited by Chiu Mun-Jun; 07-01-2007 at 06:37 PM.

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    I never really even though about putting a face to either one of them. I was sort of afraid to look at these pictures, hoping they were not MZD's actual ideas. When I was reading this book I actually just pictured myself as Sam, and my best friend as Hailey. We actually have always said "we are the dream!" so when I read that in the book it was pretty cool.

    Race also never came to mind. They are the compass of all that is. I found them to be transcendental when it comes to race, religion, and everything, really.

    I don't think it is necessary to put pictures to Sam&Hailey but to each his own.
    mementos or steam wetters

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    Sam and Hailey, as far as I'm concerned, are a constantly changing entity. I do not think Sam is black any more than he is white.

    Mikelisse, I actually ended up doing the same thing. While reading I saw Sam looking like myself, and Hailey a best friend.

    Cool.
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    i will love them more than you
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    This has been one of my thoughts as well. They are allone...all one. All people are one.
    All men are islands, influenced by the wind.

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    I thought the idea of allone took a more direct form when at one point them, or some people, when they were calling sam and hailey a big list of randomly assorted slurs.

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    I always perceived them as all races, and no race, just existing. If that makes sense.
    Walk me to the desert and leave me, I'll dig my own way home.

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    I've allways imagine their face mooooving (like a kind of morphing effect, you know?) except one thing : their eyes.
    Nous sommes tous labyrinthe, tous parties du labyrinthe.
    Tout est labyrinthe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g@rp
    I've allways imagine their face mooooving (like a kind of morphing effect, you know?) except one thing : their eyes.
    thats good, and quotable!

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    garp, that was awesome! (Sorry, it won't let me post a at symbol!)

    I personally saw them differently depending on who's side I was reading. In one Hailey was confident and in control and the other, Sam was fierce and steady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDelial
    garp, that was awesome! (Sorry, it won't let me post a at symbol!)

    I personally saw them differently depending on who's side I was reading. In one Hailey was confident and in control and the other, Sam was fierce and steady.
    you mean g@rp?

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    No, i imagined them to be set in their appearance.
    I imagined Hailey to have alabaster skin and blonde hair, and sam to be a little darker.

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    kirsten dunst for hailey
    "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us ... not just pretty words, Fester".

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    Oh hey first post~

    Coincidentally enough, a major player in one of the random worlds in my own head is named Sam. The girl he longs for, Elyse.

    I pictured Sam and Hailey as my own "Sam and Elyse". ..As I often do when I read things.

    So hey and hello and whatnot. I'm in this madness to the end.

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