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[Art-Should-Kill]

hello to all.

I just finished HoL a few days ago and am amazed at how the book affected me...no, I am not turning into a junkie, I have not diagnosed myself with some bizzare psychological disorder, nor is the beast of empty space stalking me and NO I in no way want to become Johnny...

...I started the book only because someone shared the premise of how space was contained (or not) within the house on Ash Tree Lane...and then the interest in a puzzle on pages interested me as well. From the first page I couldn't put it down. I'll confess to some fits of paranoia, more than likely my own problems with claustraphobia too much coffee and reading at 430 in the morning...and my dreams were enhanced as well. Ive seen some posts and backlash at people who speak about their dreams in relation to the book. I was never lost within "the house" but found when walking in my dreams I encountered many more hallways than usual, and in most cases a pleasant surprise to say the least. The book offered more texture to my subconscious, always something to be grateful for.

After finishing the book, I found myself exhausted and picked up Nicole Blackman's "Blood Sugar" to cool off a bit...not much releif there either so I thought maybe a post would help. Any suggested reading for life after the House?

A-S-K

[WhenNothingWas]

I read Palahniuk's Choke right after and I just couldn't get into it. I think it would have been the case with any book I might have picked up, so it has me thinking I should give Choke a second chance.

[fatwoul]

OH FOR THE LOVE OF SUNNY JESUS...

[Art-Should-Kill]

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Originally posted by fatwoul:
This week, I'm reading Bukowski's posthumous 'Sifting Through the Madness for the Word, the Line, the Way', which has some good poems, but overall isn't his best work.

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Well I don't know how much Jesus has to do with reading habits in America, but thanks for the tip. I have never read Bukowski directly(any owned copy), although I saw my room mate in college devouring any beat-junkie-drunk-poet who came along...Bukowski among them. From what was shared, an interesting ride to say the least. Perhaps I should pick him up...just never found the time then memory lapse and other books fill that space on your 'need to read' list. If you get the chance, pick up Nicole Blackman's 'Blood Sugar'...or the album 'Dead Inside' by the Golden Palomino's.

[fatwoul]

Did you click on the link?

Did you, shithead?

[Art-Should-Kill]

you know...i read, i reacted, i replied, then deleted when i thought better of myself. Is there some sort of initiation rite on this board? some way you are required to 'prove' you were worthy of the book? do you inflict insults on all new users who enter this site...or is it just you fatwoul? Yes, i looked at your link but as you just linked the the board and no h-ref to any sort of response of your own literary suggestions, i responded in haste. excuse my fowl please, it would pain me greatly to think that i showed my obvious ignorance to the workings of the inner circle on hol.com. lighten up, please.

[fatwoul]

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Originally posted by Art-Should-Kill:
...lighten up, please.

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People have been coming in here, posting threads that already exist - IN THIS CASE ON THE FIRST DAMN PAGE - for years, and when I or others have objected, those same people have asked us to lighten up.

I will lighten up just as soon as you tell me why you are special. I will lighten up just as soon as you explain why it is that you are allowed to post repetitive, lazy threads where those before you have not.

[Art-Should-Kill]

Actually, I saw introductions added all the time. I saw new posts from new people and what was bothering me about it were the people trying to let on that the book had changed their physical/spiritual/mental nature. I noticed some interesting quirks about how the book plays with you, but it was nothing more than that, it plays. Its merit in a literary sense I found fascinating...and where to begin my own discussions on the book, well im still processing...its been only five days. I keep looking over my copy less for the content and more for the structure at the moment. When i have a chance to explore the boards a little bit more, i'm sure i'll find some areas of interest that bring me more into focus on what i share and do not share on hol.com. If threads where people want to say hello create that much inner tension and strife, just delete them...become an administrator...do something about it. Take some sort of action other than insults of character. I look forward to hearing what you may have to say about the book in other threads...so until then, lighten up, please.

[ February 12, 2004: Message edited by: Art-Should-Kill ]

[fatwoul]

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Originally posted by Art-Should-Kill:
...and until then fatwoul, lighten up, please...

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I fail to understand why I should make concessions whilst waiting for your own behaviour to change. I will lighten up when you stop being a jackass. It's not a difficult concept.

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Originally posted by Art-Should-Kill:
...If the thread displeases you this much, by all mean, destroy it.

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Only you can do that. However, I am confident that you won't, on account of the jackass thing mentioned above.

[Outside]

I'm new here, myself, but welcome to the boards, ASK.

I'm not sure if you're asking out of curiosity or if you're looking for recommendations, but if I remember correctly, the first thing I read after HoL was "The Elegant Universe," for no particular reason.

It was a complete shift of gears, of course, and I knew it would be. Perhaps that's why I read it when I did; needed a break, maybe.

On the other hand, if I had it to do again, I'm not sure I would have shifted quite so much.

If you are looking for a recommendation, I'll suggest "The Things They Carried" by Tim O'Brien.

It's a book I read in college, several years before I read HoL. But I'm recommending it to you (and to any one who hasn't read it) now because, while it is quite a shift from HoL in subject matter, tone, and style (which might be a good thing), it provoked in me a similar reaction. Both books have changed how I observe my surroundings and how I write about them, too.

"The Things They Carried" is about the Vietnam war, and that's all I'll say about it.

So, if you want a shift, but also want to continue to have your thoughts provoked... It's better than reading "High Fidelity" (the other next book I read).

[fatwoul]

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Originally posted by Art-Should-Kill:
...Fatwoul, the conversation's over...evermore. And this thread is over.

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And yet it is still here.

And yet you are still replying.

Schmuck. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

[JuggaloStatix]

ahh the never ending struggle between fatwoul and the n00bs...when will they realize that we are very easy to get along with as long as you dont beat the same topic to death twenty million times...and dont overflow the board with junk crap like the previous bonemaster...

[fatwoul]

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Originally posted by Statix:
...fatwoul and the n00bs...

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Hey I like that. Sounds kinda mythical; George and the Dragon, Fatwoul and the N00bs.

Neat.

[DeathandMaiden]

Fatty fatty fatty. You obviously must have some kind of fetish or something; some kind of derivitive of sadomasochism, ey? And, yall strike me as having some modicum of intellgence. Sense of... stunning logic that will cut down the most pervasive of master debators, yes. But, just as a matter of personal interest, is there any particular reason as to why you dignify n00b threads with your devlish prose? Oi mean, good god man: it's like saying, I have a headache because
a) I'm hitting myself with a hammer
and b) I love aspirin.
You hate waste of time thread messages, but you still respond to them. Evidence, your well endowed post number, so big you've got to stuff it in your sock.
or, is that why you post pissy responses to the noobanoids, to pad your number? [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

[Art-Should-Kill]

Outside...no, i was really looking for recomendations...and thanks sounds like something I'll look into and see where it goes...i'll let you know if i pick it up. I do back up my recomendation i made earlier...Nicole Blackman. If you've already read her, good. If not, I think she should be required reading for every woman living in America...especially if you like hard hitting and intense poetry. Grit, Cities, Heroin, and lust never quite felt so good.

Fatwoul, the conversation's over...evermore. And this thread is over.

[fatwoul]

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Originally posted by DeathandMaiden:
Fatty fatty fatty...

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I was unaware that my comment about you being a stalker had wounded you so deeply. I am finding posts made by you having a poke at me left right and centre today.

*tries most patronising expression possible*

Maiden, are you on your period?

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Originally posted by DeathandMaiden:
...You obviously must have some kind of fetish or something; some kind of derivitive of sadomasochism, ey? And, yall strike me as having some modicum of intellgence...

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Says the person who, having made an effort to behave for such a long time, wishes now to screw it all up by fighting with me. Not very smart. At all.

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Originally posted by DeathandMaiden:
...Sense of... stunning logic that will cut down the most pervasive of master debators, yes. But, just as a matter of personal interest, is there any particular reason as to why you dignify n00b threads with your devlish prose?...

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No. It is motiveless. Why do you choose to perpetuate the process now by challenging me? Feel big enough, now you have nearly 50 posts under your belt?

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Originally posted by DeathandMaiden:
...Oi mean, good god man: it's like saying, I have a headache because
a) I'm hitting myself with a hammer
and b) I love aspirin...

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You do love your little lists, don't you?

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Originally posted by DeathandMaiden:
...You hate waste of time thread messages, but you still respond to them. Evidence, your well endowed post number, so big you've got to stuff it in your sock.
or, is that why you post pissy responses to the noobanoids, to pad your number? [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

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Have you taken it upon yourself to become the new crusader for the n00b? Because, lets be honest, none of them are really backing you up a whole lot.

As far as padding post numbers, I count at least 5 posts (10.2%) of your 49 that are dedicated to attacking people (apparently for no reason other than having ants in your pants), together with another 10 or so (20.4% at least - I grew bored of checking) that are just random crap, with no relation to the book, or often even the thread in question.

Based on the same percentages, I would be permitted at least 476 posts attacking people, and a further 952 posts of complete randomness, relating neither to the book nor the thread being used.

If you can give me a list of 476 examples of the first, and 952 of the second, I will apologise.

There. That should keep you busy during whatever it is that is pissing you off today.

[img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

[firstmonkeyinspace]

I love you, Fatwoul...


... I mean that in a Viking kind-o-way...

[fatwoul]

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Originally posted by firstmonkeyinspace:
... I mean that in a Viking kind-o-way...

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...And you are?

[JuggaloStatix]

actually im almost everything but a viking...so how exactly do you love someone like a savage explorer with an axe that is ment to destroy things

[firstmonkeyinspace]

Who am I?
A wanderer of sorts. I haven't been in these parts for quite some time. I found myself back here after many, many months away. I thought I'd see how things were going here.
As far as the Viking comment...
What I meant was that it would be an honour to die beside you in battle. I'm rather familiar with your ongoing struggle with n00bs too quick to post a "new" thread without utilizing the search function.
This was the first topic I entered after I returned. It was refreshing to see you still fighting the good fight.
You're honest, that's good.
You've got style, I like that.
Loyalty, that's important.

[nothingmuch]

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Have you taken it upon yourself to become the new crusader for the n00b? Because, lets be honest, none of them are really backing you up a whole lot.

I for one, will back her up.

From time to time I have browsed various message boards, and each board seems to have at least one veteran member, who has apparently spent at least an hour on the board most days since he/she joined the board and wastes most of this time each day simply getting pissed off at new posters or just generally picking pointless arguments with other posters.

Fatwoul, I have read many of your posts, and I respect many of your opinions. I highly doubt that you respect mine, though, based simply on the fact that the member number below my name is far higher than yours. And, of course, based on the fact that I disagree with you.

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Says the person who, having made an effort to behave for such a long time, wishes now to screw it all up by fighting with me. Not very smart. At all.

You act as though now that she has disagreed with your attitude toward n00bs, she will be severely punished. What is it that you will do, fatwoul? Can you ban her? Clearly not over such a simple disagreement. Or will you spend your time writing annoying responses to all of her future posts?

It would seem that you are a pretty geeky guy with not much to do, and this is one of the few places where you are considered an important person. Based, of course, on the number 4674.

To the rest of you, I know that mr. twoul will not listen to me. A am aware that I am just adding fuel to the fire. I also promise that this will be the last time I do so. I just thought DeathandMaiden deserved a little backup.

Happy posting, fatwoul!

[fatwoul]

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Originally posted by nothingmuch:
I for one, will back her up…

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One. One n00b willing to back “her” up. I think this is one of those situations where one is worse than none, drawing as it does attention to the lack of support, or rather the general feeling of apathy that now drowns the forum as a whole.

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Originally posted by nothingmuch:
…From time to time I have browsed various message boards, and each board seems to have at least one veteran member, who has apparently spent at least an hour on the board most days since he/she joined the board and wastes most of this time each day simply getting pissed off at new posters or just generally picking pointless arguments with other posters...

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While it is true that I may be the only one left of the veterans willing to attack n00bs, I am also one of the only veterans left full stop (members with numbers below 1000 at least). There are, however, many other members who agree with the original point that I and others have made. It is unfortunate that during your extensive searches of the forum you seem no wiser as to these reasons.

I dislike laziness, and anything up to half of the threads on the entire forum exist through no reason other than the laziness of new visitors, wishing to be spoonfed facts that a very straightforward search would reveal. Are you suggesting that rather than wasting my hour a day (your figure, not mine - I assure you my time on this forum is far less than that) attacking n00bs I should instead waste that time acting as some kind of HoL helpline, happily answering the same tired questions every day, watching as a n00b creates a new thread asking why house is written in blue every day?

Every time a n00b creates a thread asking a repetitive question, a new thread then exists on the forum. Next time a new visitor arrives, if they happen to attempt to use the search function, their search will be hampered by hundreds of identical threads, and they too will resort to asking the same old questions.

If, on the other hand, a new visitor came in with questions, looked through the archive, found a thread that was related to their question, read that thread, and then thought "ok so that answers my question, and now I have had another thought I can add to it". Result? Far fewer threads (making searches easier), each thread more detailed, able to go into more depth.

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Originally posted by nothingmuch:
…Fatwoul, I have read many of your posts, and I respect many of your opinions. I highly doubt that you respect mine, though, based simply on the fact that the member number below my name is far higher than yours. And, of course, based on the fact that I disagree with you...

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There are several new visitors whose opinions I respect. Similarly, there are several members whose opinions I respect, with whom I do not always agree.

However, you are right that I do not respect yours; I cannot respect any such opinion that promotes the lazy, stodgy use of the forum that has always plagued the archive.

Similarly, I cannot respect the opinion of DeathandMaiden, because they have demonstrated such sickening hypocrisy in criticising my behaviour; their own history on the forum being one of abusive or unrelated posts.

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Originally posted by nothingmuch:
…You act as though now that she has disagreed with your attitude toward n00bs, she will be severely punished. What is it that you will do, fatwoul? Can you ban her? Clearly not over such a simple disagreement. Or will you spend your time writing annoying responses to all of her future posts?...

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I find it interesting that you are basing so much on assumption. Everyone else who has spoken to me about DeathandMaiden has referred to them as male. I made a comment about them being on their period, designed to deliberately annoy them either way, and you seem to have used that and my other references to them as female to make an assumption of gender of your own.

While it is true I cannot ban “her”, I have repeatedly demonstrated my ability to out-think those so bent on damaging the forum – laziness being one of the most damaging things that the forum can be forced to endure, for the reasons I mentioned above. Neither do I have any interest in writing “annoying responses to all of her future posts”, since I have neither the time, nor sufficient interest in them.

Both on that point and the following one you again operate on a massive assumption:

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Originally posted by nothingmuch:
…It would seem that you are a pretty geeky guy…

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I have never claimed to be anything else. However, since you seem keen to use such an observation as an insult, I am forced to return the gesture by pointing out that never before has a member of this forum chosen a more appropriate ID name for themselves as you. Well done.

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Originally posted by nothingmuch:
…with not much to do…

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On the contrary, I have a great deal to be doing. I have my dissertation to be writing, for example, but procrastination is unfortunately getting the better of me.

However, yet again you have made an assumption: You have assumed that my retorts to ignorant people such as DaM and yourself take large amounts of effort. They do not. Responding to this level of post is comparable to flicking a gnat off my jacket, and really is not a challenge. The time it takes to respond to even the lengthiest of posts is also far less that you might imagine, since thanks to college work, and fending off irritations such as yourself I now maintain a more-than-healthy typing speed.

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Originally posted by nothingmuch:
…and this is one of the few places where you are considered an important person…

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Let us assume for a moment that this is true. This assumption, while fairly inaccurate, should not prove difficult for you, since you have already illustrated a great skill for accepting false assumption.

So let us assume that this is the only place where I am considered important. The first question that would be posed to this is exactly who it is that you think considers me to be important. Certainly not myself. In recent months there have been very few other members who have suggested so either. It seems, therefore, that the person perceiving this importance is you. While I am flattered by this, it is once again an inadequate assumption. Questions that would follow would involve discussion about the fact that for other people to deem me important within the confines of this forum would demand a further assumption that anything said or done within this forum can ever be important – another assumption I would challenge. Suffice to say, I consider myself no more important here than anywhere else. And that is how I prefer it.

What I am aware of is my intelligence. While much of it may be wasted, it is nevertheless the case that I am pretty clever; something that provides more frustration than it does anything else.

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Originally posted by nothingmuch:
…Based, of course, on the number 4674…

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Well, I think we have already covered that. Or do I need to explain it more slowly?

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Originally posted by nothingmuch:
…To the rest of you, I know that mr. twoul will not listen to me. A am aware that I am just adding fuel to the fire. I also promise that this will be the last time I do so. I just thought DeathandMaiden deserved a little backup…

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If you did not wish to add fuel to the fire, why did you make such an unusually valiant (albeit pitiful) attempt to do so? The excuse of backing up a hypocrite is hardly a valid one, particularly in the light of the fact that you did such a very poor job of back them up at all.

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Originally posted by nothingmuch:
…Happy posting, fatwoul!

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Likewise.

[Parappa's Triumphant Retu]

As sho' as a bachla get a dance-a lappa
'dis thread summon up da king Parappa
just like every noob who just want to chat
summons up da fatwoul from eatin' skat
I guess I just forgot whilez I been gettin' paid
That it been another year and fatwoul still ain't laid
listen to me cuz and listen to me son
coverin' da same ground ain't be hurtin no one
sure as dan'l boone be a gangsta trappa
is da trooth that be tas ya from Parappa!

WIKKIWIKKIWIKKIPROPAH!

[WhenNothingWas]

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Originally posted by Parappa's Triumphant Return:
As sho' as a bachla get a dance-a lappa
'dis thread summon up da king Parappa
just like every noob who just want to chat
summons up da fatwoul from eatin' skat
I guess I just forgot whilez I been gettin' paid
That it been another year and fatwoul still ain't laid
listen to me cuz and listen to me son
coverin' da same ground ain't be hurtin no one
sure as dan'l boone be a gangsta trappa
is da trooth that be tas ya from Parappa!

WIKKIWIKKIWIKKIPROPAH!

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[burntshadows0]

Fatwoul, when I first joined this site, close minded to my own posts and threads, I thought you were a dick. But after sitting back and reading all that you have to say,(I tried to download your dissertation every way possible, but somethings wrong, it won't work) something suddenly clicked, like a dawning of some kind, I understood. I FUCKING GET IT! [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

heh

[burntshadows0]

Oh yeah,

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Originally posted by Parappa's Triumphant Return:
As sho' as a bachla...

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That's as far as I read before I felt myself getting more stupider. Please stop that crap.

[ February 15, 2004: Message edited by: burntshadow ]

[Parappa's Triumphant Retu]

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Originally posted by burntshadow:
Oh yeah,


That's as far as I read before I felt myself getting more stupider. Please stop that crap.

[ February 15, 2004: Message edited by: burntshadow ]

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why dontcha just break out da anal lube
ya wannabe ass kissin' loser n00b!
actin' like the world's be all end all
is gettin' some props from da git fatwoul!

[fearful_syzygy]

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Originally posted by Parappa's Triumphant Return:
end all...fatwoul!

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That doesn't even rhyme! [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

[fatwoul]

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Originally posted by fearful_syzygy:
That doesn't even rhyme! [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

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He's just upset that nobody missed him.

[fatwoul]

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Originally posted by burntshadow:
Fatwoul, when I first joined this site, close minded to my own posts and threads, I thought you were a dick...

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And it would seem you still do.

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Originally posted by burntshadow:
...(I tried to download your dissertation every way possible, but somethings wrong, it won't work)...

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That's because you're a dick. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by burntshadow:
...But after sitting back and reading all that you have to say, something suddenly clicked, like a dawning of some kind, I understood. I FUCKING GET IT!

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You speak an untruth.