Butterfly Effect ::spoilers::

[The Disgruntled Frenchman]

Edit: okay, since obviously no one is going to agree that it's the best movie ever, I'll say this instead.
This is an unbelievably good movie. Not simply because Ashton Kutcher defies expectations, but because the movie itself is brilliant. Movies can have a super intricate plot, astounding special effects, beautiful imagery, clever dialogue, and heartstopping action, but when it comes down to it, my favorite movies are the one that can really make me feel something when I watch them, be it love, hate, fear, anxiety or any other emotion. That said, it's a rare movie that I get out of and still feel the intensity of by the time I get to sleep. I woke up the following morning still brewing about what I though of this movie.

[ January 27, 2004: Message edited by: The Disgruntled Frenchman ]

[ February 10, 2004: Message edited by: The Disgruntled Frenchman ]

[Praetorian]

No

[ass_shaped_smile]

It looks interesting. Tell me, how does it relate to House of Leaves?

[JuggaloStatix]

i dont care if it relates or not...i wanna see it...i like a good mind fuck as earlier noted...twelve monkeys...Ripper...alot of good shit...

[WhenNothingWas]

I have a feeling this is going to be one of those movies that is trendy to like - much like Donnie Darko is.

[ass_shaped_smile]

Donnie Darko was such a terrible movie.

[The Disgruntled Frenchman]

I laugh at all you nay-sayers. You know naught of which you speak. If you expect this movie to be trendy/shallow/anyothercondescendingadjectiveyoumaycaretoapplycon coctortranscribeor, then you are simply wrong. Watch the movie. I guarantee you that if you don't absolutely love it, you will at least be highly disturbed by the time the credits roll.

Oh, and Donnie Darko was great, so bite me.

[WhenNothingWas]

Donnie Darko is just okay, it is definitely not as great as some people believe it to be. I am not going to get into the whole thing now, but:
1) I am pretty sure there are holes, it doesn't make complete sense (Richard Kelly has admitted this). Now if you are cool with that, then...great news for you, I guess.
2) It is almost an Independent film that is trying to look Hollywood (call me condescending, please). A good share of the actors are not that talented (I am a fan of Jake, though), and a lot of the dialogue could be better.
3) Its director has permitted the movie to be re-released featuring songs that they could not afford at time of production and added scenes to make it more accessible. I do not have much respect for that decision.

EDIT: As for The Butterfly Effect: I know nothing of its cinematic value, I was merely stating my current feelings on it in my previous post. I don't doubt that I will see it eventually, but I don't think that "eventually" will be any time when it is still in the theater. I saw another trailer for it last night, before Return of the King, and I just...don't get good feelings about it. *shrugs*

[ January 26, 2004: Message edited by: WhenNothingWas ]

[DaethisJain]

I thought it was good until I thought about it some more.

Each time he traveled back it was to a time of a one of his blackouts, EXCEPT the final 'escape.' It cheapened the escape, and therefore the movie. Too bad, too -- it was lookin' to turn out good.

[The Disgruntled Frenchman]

Actually, I thought about that as well. It mentioned the party earlier in the movie, and I think it might have been his first blackout. I'll have to see it again, so I'll pay closer attention. Anyway, you still have to admit, it's a great movie.

[malakite]

i liked most of donnie darko. it wasn't perfect, but it was good enough for me to buy on dvd.

butterfly effect looks idiotic, in part because of the star not being able to act his way out of an imaginary bag, and in part because it looks like the sort of pseudo-philosophical pseudo-intellectual bullshit that people seem to adore these days. like the matrix movies, but without all the redeeming (not to mention freakin awesome) action sequences.

but before you accuse me of being condescending or a movie snob, let me say that i have not seen it, so i can't say for sure. i am jusging based purely on trailers. but it looks bad enough that, regardless of how many recommendations i hear, i will probably not see it until it comes out on dvd, if then. maybe i will wait for it to show up on cable.

oh, and i seriously doubt i would be 'disturbed' by it. i have never, ever seen a movie that has 'disturbed' me, and i refuse to believe that an ashton-freakin' kutcher movie would do the trick. unless i paid for it, but that is less about the movie than the fact that i would have paid for it.

[ass_shaped_smile]

To be fair to Ashton Kutcher I dont think he's starred yet in a film that would allow him to act. He's only been in "Dude, Wears My Car?" and we must all give it up for that wicked ass movie (Just kidding; that movie sucked). And to have any sort of praise for Donnie Darko is just bullshit. It's bad enough that that movie was adopted by every single emo high school student in the country as their "favorite and best movie" because it speaks to their pussy emotions, but when the writer/director himself says that he doesn't entirely understand his own work I lose any respect I had for him. If MZD said that he did not know what House of Leaves meant I would burn my copy and curse myself for ever having bothered to read something that not even its author understood.

[malakite]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ass_shaped_smile:
To be fair to Ashton Kutcher I dont think he's starred yet in a film that would allow him to act. He's only been in "Dude, Wears My Car?" and we must all give it up for that wicked ass movie (Just kidding; that movie sucked). And to have any sort of praise for Donnie Darko is just bullshit. It's bad enough that that movie was adopted by every single emo high school student in the country as their "favorite and best movie" because it speaks to their pussy emotions, but when the writer/director himself says that he doesn't entirely understand his own work I lose any respect I had for him. If MZD said that he did not know what House of Leaves meant I would burn my copy and curse myself for ever having bothered to read something that not even its author understood.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the emo kids at my school hate donnie darko. but then again, im not from texas. and i would be surprised if MZD did understand the entire book.

and as for ashton kutcher, he has not done anything that seems to indicate that he wants to act at all. lets not forget, nobody forced him to be in dude where's my car. he chose to be in that movie. just as he chose to be in every other shitty movie he has been in. his only talent that i can see seems to be that of finding movies that are slightly worse than him, so as to make him resemble(without actually being) 'wasted potential.' i would be willing to bet that the butterfly effect carries on that fine tradition.

[Agrimorfee]

All I can say is that every review I have read here in the Chicagoland area about this film is that it sucks. That's usually a good sign that one should rent it or wait til it's on cable.

[The Disgruntled Frenchman]

Let me go back a ways. This movie is one of my new favorites. I still enjoy Matrix more, and I think Vanilla Sky and pi are more intelligent, but this movie has the right mix of intelligence and 'holy shit, did that really just happen?' scenes to create a great movie altogether. I say these scenes are disturbing because they are believable based on the characters and you can really see how they are essential to the plot as opposed to being contrived for shock value
I really think people are slamming this movie as a kneejerk to it having ashton kutcher in it. I'd written a paragraph to shoot this down, but theninthwave (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0289879/board/nest/5776523) said it better than I did, so I'll just direct you to his comment. Also, the later parts in that thread about people laughing in there is true also. Most people went in expecting a comedy and so they ended up laughing at things that weren't supposed to be funny.

It's a real shame that people will probably write this movie off because Ashton Kutcher is in it. What's worse, though, is that if the movie does badly, Kutcher probably will probably avoid doing anything like it again, and he really did excellently in this movie.

[WhenNothingWas]

I don't have beef with it directly because Ashton is in it, I am more concerned with the idea that a director of "the best movie ever" (to quote you, Frenchman) chose to cast a person such as Kutcher for its lead role. I know there are greater talents out there than Ashton, so why wouldn't he have found one? Here's my theory: he chose him because Ashton will draw in a crowd. I don't think that fame should be valued over talent when casting a movie. Now this may not be true, I am merely speculating. And whoever said that Ashton hasn't had his chance, well, if he wants people to take him seriously then perhaps he should have said "No!" to Dude, Where's My Car? and to Just Married and to My Boss's Daughter...

[ January 27, 2004: Message edited by: WhenNothingWas ]

[The Disgruntled Frenchman]

That all depends on if the director went after kutcher, or if kutcher went after the part, doesn't it?

Another thing to look at is the director's history. i.e. Final destination 2 i.e. a shitty movie. I guess, for me, if someone is able to put out a good final product, I can overlook a bad history. (for the most part) Look at Vanilla Sky. I HATE Tom Cruise, but I fucking love that movie.

[WhenNothingWas]

If, when I see this movie, I end up loving it I give you my word that I will return here and apologize for not believing you.

I still don't think I will experience it anytime soon, however, because it has yet to spark my interest enough. Almost all current movies have, to tell you the truth. Lately I have been catching up on old foreign movies from directors like: Bergman, Tarkovsky, Godard, Herzog, Truffaut, and Fellini, who I feel had a better grip on how to make movies then a lot of these young stallions.

[ass_shaped_smile]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WhenNothingWas:
if he wants people to take him seriously then perhaps he should have said "No!" to Dude, Where's My Car? and to Just Married and to My Boss's Daughter...

[ January 27, 2004: Message edited by: WhenNothingWas ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


First you have to get rich and famous before you can do all the films that you really want to do. Case in point: Jim Carrey made that tripe The Mask and Ace Ventura. But when he could afford to he moved on to much better films and was recognized as a great dramatic actor. The same too happened with George Clooney. You have to start somewhere and it's almost always at the bottom.

[malakite]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ass_shaped_smile:
Jim Carrey made that tripe The Mask and Ace Ventura. But when he could afford to he moved on to much better films and was recognized as a great dramatic actor. .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

everyone who considers jim carrey a great dramatic actor, raise your hand

[dead silence, motionless]

everyone who thinks the mask and/or ace ventura is the best movie he has ever done, raise your hand.

[raises hand, along with everyone else]

thanks for proving my point, A.S.S.

[The Disgruntled Frenchman]

I think crass was being facetious (though I did like The Truman Show), but he makes the point I had intended to in the paragraph I deleted. Unemployed actors don't turn down TV roles. TV actors don't turn down movie roles. Eventually, those movie actors won't turn down TV roles.
Some people get lucky and make it directly to movies. But I think an unemployed actor turning down a TV role would piss me off because he's not paying rent for another month.

Edit: Oh yeah! JC was also a TV actor before he started doing movies.

[ January 27, 2004: Message edited by: The Disgruntled Frenchman ]

[ass_shaped_smile]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by malakite:


everyone who considers jim carrey a great dramatic actor, raise your hand

[dead silence, motionless]

everyone who thinks the mask and/or ace ventura is the best movie he has ever done, raise your hand.

[raises hand, along with everyone else]

thanks for proving my point, A.S.S.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Truman Show and Man on the Moon were both great showcases of Jim Carreys ability and I hear the his next film, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind also has a great performance by him. And if you disagree with me I've got a nice, big "like I give a shit" that I can give to you.

[The Disgruntled Frenchman]

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Written and directed by the critically acclaimed <font color=blue>Jesus H. Christ</font color>! The star in over 20 major religions!

[malakite]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Disgruntled Frenchman:
I think crass was being facetious<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

nope. he honestly thinks that jim carrey is a great dramatic actor.

this is what facetious would be like:

yes, i hear jim carrey is traveling to london to appear in a stage production of Richard III alongside Sir Ian McKellan! What a great dramatic actor that jim carrey is!

[Disgustipated]

*applause* Nicely put malakite.

[lazysmurf]

i have to say, friends of mine, who oppinion i highly trust did grudgingly admit butterfly effect was a good movie. though the were more impressed by the movie idea than ashton butcher...or whatever.

now, as far as good movies go, i would recommend house of sand and fog. brilliantly well done. a little over the top at times, but still an exceptional movie, with real acting talents, like ben kingsley.

see it, youll be happy you did, just be sure you line up some cinematic prozac afterwards, its quite depressing

[Agrimorfee]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WhenNothingWas:
I don't have beef with it directly because Ashton is in it, I am more concerned with the idea that a director of "the best movie ever" (to quote you, Frenchman) chose to cast a person such as Kutcher for its lead role. I know there are greater talents out there than Ashton, so why wouldn't he have found one? Here's my theory: he chose him because Ashton will draw in a crowd. I don't think that fame should be valued over talent when casting a movie. [ January 27, 2004: Message edited by: WhenNothingWas ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


It kind of helped that Ashton Kutcher is Co-Executive Producer of the film.

[WhenNothingWas]

Better yet!

[snowraith]

Don't forget about Tom Hanks, who's first movies included the blockbuster intelligent drama's "He knows your alone", "Mazes and Monsters", "Bachelor Party", and "Big", not to mention the number one drama on television "Bosom Buddies". In fact he really doesn't step out of his "normal" roles until his nineteenth or twentieth one, so kudos to Kutcher for starting this early.

[WhenNothingWas]

Haha...
He's done one (supposedly) good movie and you are already comparing him to Tom Hanks? Makes sense. But time shall tell for the Ashton--I wouldn't stake my life on it, that's for sure.

[lazysmurf]

ill have to agree

despite Ashtons ability (and lets suppose he's as talented an actor as, say, ed harris, laurence fishborne, etc)

he still has, and always will have, the typecast of idiotic but lovable guy that he always plays. he could be the next great, but he will never escape the "hollywood hunk" image he has been given.

no matter his skill, there will always be the mindless teen movies that must be made, and if im him...taking five of those at 5 million each, versus one or two good movies at 5 mill each, id dumb myself down and rake in the dough.

[member #5556]

ah yes. Ignorance is truly bliss.

And bliss comes on the form of $$$.

[burntshadows0]

donnie darko made me think two things:
1) Paradox (cheap way to confuse and make you rent it again, let alone buy it)
2) I need to buy "The Very Best of Tears for Fears"

[Ellimist]

BEST

MOVIE

EVER

PERIOD.

[WhenNothingWas]

My guess is that you just haven't seen the right movies before this one.

[ass_shaped_smile]

The Best Movie Ever Period goes to Scarface.

[WhenNothingWas]

Ah! This thread is painted in ridiculosity.

[lazysmurf]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ass_shaped_smile:
The Best Movie Ever Period goes to Scarface.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

am i the only person who thinks it was boringly long and way too over the top?

[malakite]

yes. yes you are.

for once i have to agree with ass. scarface was an excellent movie.

im not sure i would say the best, but certainly the best organized crime movie i have seen. far better than the godfather(talk about boring and overrated.)

[WhenNothingWas]

I am not a huge fan of Scarface, and I do not understand it's huge following, either. The first two Godfather movies are so much better, in my opinion.

[The Disgruntled Frenchman]

Valentine's day massacre is the best gangster movie for my money. GF 3 was boring. Too much politics, not enough 'persuasion'. The first two and scarface are great, though.

[whiskeyjack]

Um, hi. I'm new, and not sure where to start, but I thought Donnie Darko, while not as great as so many twentysufferings seemed to think, it had an interesting bit of alternate reality hokum in there. Some parts were overdone (Donnie's rant in front of the class), but Patrick Swazey's character was absolutely hilarious. Anyway.

[lazysmurf]

allow me to retract previous statement upon a review of the film. i still maintain it was way long. but i see the reasons now. i still maintain, also, that it was WAY over the top, though i do see a correlation as to why it is (montana was over the top, crossed the line, etc etc etc).

i will never, ever, agree with someone who believes it is better than the first two godfather films.

GF and GF2 were simply better scripted, better acted, better shot, much more moving and more plausable than scarface ever was. the baptism scene in GF is simply the best movie scene i have ever witnessed.

i have refrained from watching GF3 so i cannot comment, but i hear it sucks anyway.

[DCIRevolutionChick04]

Boys, Boys, Boys....
Don't forget this... ever!

Neo was Ted Logan.

Next time you see Reeves in Matrix saying "My name is Neo!" think "Excellent!" complete with tounge action and hand gesture.

I saw the movie. It creeped me out.

Kutcher was surprisingly good. Why shouldn't he expand? Is there a rule that says if you are in a shitty movie doing a crappy role then you can not ever try something different?

My suggestion: go see if for yourself. Warning though: it is kinda disturbing.

[burntshadows0]

As I was watching the butterfly effect, I was agreeing with myself that this asshole is actually an actor. But that's when I realize his facial expressions are completely mono, and it is this unusual face that we've never seen on him before that gives us the impression that he is a good actor. Watch it again. See how he doesn't change.

[malakite]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aledo:
My suggestion: go see if for yourself(A). Warning though: it is kinda disturbing(B).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

(A) No.

(B) I sincerely doubt it.

[Ephermeris]

I personally thought the movie (Butterfly Effect) was really well done. Granted they probably could have used a different actor for the main lead, but his comic relief was really good at parts. The movie was some what intense. I didn't like the ending though. why? Cause out of nowhere they come up with the theory that he can change the "medium" of journals, to videos, and it just confused the crap out of me, and it made the ending somewhat uneventful.
It was strange though that they made the lovers better off apart. We don't see that alot in today's movies, however they are becoming more and more frequent.
but overall, I would totally recommend this movie if not for the subject matter, then to post a reply and tell me what the hell happened with the end.

[JuggaloStatix]

i must see this movie...is still in theaters right?

[Ellimist]

yes.

Suprnova.org

[pacific]

i love kicking a dead horse in the face, so:
-everyone who thinks this movie is going to suck, i was right there with you.
-i've rarely been as pleasantly surprised with a movie as i was with this one (granted, when expectations are low, it's easy to exceed them)
-if you doubt you're going to be disturbed by this movie: it's nice to know there are such HARDASSMUTHAFCKRS as you out there in the world, but really, let a drop of humanity into your soul and see that the supporting characters here are VERY real. (although the dialogue suffers at key moments)
-and last, does anyone suppose that maybe the writer initially intended to end the movie with him being stuck in the psycho ward, and "hollywood" just wasn't havin' it?

[WhenNothingWas]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pacific:
-and last, does anyone suppose that maybe the writer initially intended to end the movie with him being stuck in the psycho ward, and "hollywood" just wasn't havin' it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No respect for the movie there.

Just a note:
If you douchebags really want those opposed to seeing the movie to go out and give it a chance then perhaps you shouldn't go on spoiling the ending as you have been. Now:
a) I still don't want to see it.
b) I know about this particular movie's "twist".
c) I think you are all retarded.
d) I still don't want to see it.
e) If I see it someday and it turns out to be really good, I will not care about my refusal to watch it now. I will remember why I rightfully thought this movie would be horrible and accept whatever delay I had in seeing it. Such is life.
f) I'm not counting on the initial condition of "e".

[ February 10, 2004: Message edited by: WhenNothingWas ]

[The Disgruntled Frenchman]

I hadn't intended for this thread to include spoilers. I had meant for it to get people to go see a great movie which they wouldn't otherwise give a chance. I guess that spoilers are inevitable when people want to discuss the movie. C'est la vie.

As to the ending, I didn't think it was hollywood at all. Sure, they could have left him in the psycho ward and you would have walked out feeling that much more sick to your stomach, but I think that would have shifted the focus to a message rather than a story. You still get the message of 'be happy with what your dealt blah blah blah' but, you also get character development. The basis for Ashton's decisions (I can't remember his character's name (and if you want to cite this lack of information as evidence I don't like the movie as much as I say, I calmly point to Fight Club)) steadily changed each time he went back, and I think that was a well written part of the movie.
As for his going back via film, it said that his father originally went back similarly.
There's holes, I'll admit. But they aren't glaring. I've already spoken about suspension of disbelief, and that applies here as well. If you go in with the goal of finding a reason to dislike the movie, there's a high probablity you're going to. Especially if you link your distaste to it with some sort of pride which is what 99% of people do. But if you'll give it an honest chance, it's a great movie.

Oh, and WNW? Blow me.

[malakite]

there are only a few things that i cannot suspend my disbelief for. batman flying. giant mechanical spiders. ashton kutcher having any talent whatsoever.

anyone that can point me toward actual evidence that this is a good movie, please do(reviews don't count. i don't trust a reviewer any more than i trust you people). one rule: it cannot cost me any money. whether or not it costs you any money is entirely up to you.

i am still not convinced that this movie is disturbing. it doesn't matter how 'real' the secondary characters are, they are characters. i have seen very few movies where i couldn't get around the idea that it was just a movie. i have seen movies where, if those things had actually happened, to actual people, it would be disturbing. there are perhaps 1 or 2 movies tops that have had me so involved in the story and characters that the events in the movie actually disturbed me. a big part may be the simple fact that through most of the movie, i would be looking at fuckin' kelso from that 70's show. and everytime i saw his face, it would immediately take me out of the movie. too many bad associations. regardless of his(most likely imaginary) acting skill, i always see him as the guy in dude wheres my car.

it doesn't matter what you say, though. i can gaurantee i will not go see this movie. unless maybe if you paid for my ticket. but even then, you would have to buy me the "large" popcorn.

[WhenNothingWas]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Disgruntled Frenchman:
Oh, and WNW? Blow me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Mighty tempting. I still don't want to see the movie, though.

[*o*]

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[Admiral_Shanks]

I know this probably wont change any of you opinions on wanting to see the film, but it is actually fecking brilliant. MUCH better then I thought it was going to be, and delightfully shocking in parts.

About an 8 out of 10.

Oh, watch the Mothman prophecies too. Quite scary... ok VERY in parts :)

[Desplain]

The Mothman Prophecies is still one of my all time favorite movies. The questions it asks invoked the same brand of fear that I would often experience when reading House of Leaves for the first time.

And if you don't agree with me I couldn't give a rat's ass less.

P.S. The Butterfly Effect was excellent movie. If you are so proud that you can't allow yourself to experience any influence that hasn't been tainted by your (incorrect) presumptions, then don't see this movie. You'll just whine about Ashton Kutcher and the few "holes" that are in the movie, and spoil it for yourself and the rest of us. But no, really, don't go see this movie. Your loss.

And for the record, Kutcher was excellent in this movie as well. I agree that the guy seems like he can't act out of a paper bag, but he really came through in this movie. If you want to bitch about his acting, I suggest you actually watch his acting before critiquing it.

[Centaure]

The Mothman Prophecies is still one of my all time favorite movies. The questions it asks invoked the same brand of fear that I would often experience when reading <font color="#0000FF">House</font> of Leaves for the first time.

And if you don't agree with me I couldn't give a rat's ass less.

I do agree. I enjoyed the movie.


The Butterfly Effect was excellent movie. If you are so proud that you can't allow yourself to experience any influence that hasn't been tainted by your (incorrect) presumptions, then don't see this movie. You'll just whine about Ashton Kutcher and the few "holes" that are in the movie, and spoil it for yourself and the rest of us. But no, really, don't go see this movie. Your loss.

Agree too. The plot was nice...I like it.

In the same kind I would recommend "Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind" =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> Brilliant !
(don't hurt me, *o*, please !)

[Desplain]

I really wanted to see Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, but it came and went in the theaters where I live way too fast and I never got the chance. My sister did see it though and said it was awesome.

Oh, and Centaure....don't start groveling to *o*. You're better than that.

[Centaure]

...Thank you...I think I'm getting paranoid ! :cry:

[Admiral_Shanks]

I also want to see 'eternal shunshine...' it looks brilliant! And Kate winslet and Kirsten Dunst?! wow! two of my favorite hotties in one movie :D

And whats all this *o* talk?! Surely he's still a n00b? Why is he/she attacking people? I though he was a good guy?! Do we really care?! :lol:

And Desplain, I hope the 'And if you don't agree with me I couldn't give a rat's ass less' remark wasn't directed at me! As I dont think we'v argued in the past have we?! :P

Oh, and what were the holes in 'the butterfly effect'?

[*o*]

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[Admiral_Shanks]

Well, I must admit you make a valid point.

Sadly wrong about the film though :wink:

What didn't you like about it? (Im guessing I could go back and read, but right now, I dont have time!)

[*o*]

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[Centaure]

4- A similar conclusion was drawn in Donnie Darko (that is, when messing with time get prepared to loose more than you gain) in a much more radical and elegant way. And without the crappy happy ending.

I haven't seen it. Is it good ? I think I might like it.....

[Admiral_Shanks]

Going back wouldn't help, I did not state my reasons.
But since you ask, I will sum up my point of view.

1- The movie is unbelievably predictible. Because :

I must confess I didn't see the full extent of the ending coming... and im usually rather good. I though they should have ended it after the one before last though *SPOILER* when he was in the wheelchair. THAT would have been an ending to think about.




2a- The movie works on one unique idea : a guy reads his journal to go back in time and change it (and as if wasn't ridiculous enough, it's a gift he got from his dad). Every time it turns out things get worse.

I meant to reply to each of these... but I just dont have time :)

Though each one was good though. Dont get me wrong... I reply to them soon!

[Ra-ra]

I haven't seen it. Is it good ? I think I might like it.....

Good? It's bloody brilliant.

[Ellimist]

you know what else is bloody brilliant... Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind...

[Centaure]

I haven't seen it. Is it good ? I think I might like it.....

Good? It's bloody brilliant.

Right...ok...I'm going to rent it tonight....Thanks !


you know what else is bloody brilliant... Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind...

Of course it is ! Clementine with her hair reflecting the way Joel remembers her moods...and so many other details !

Thanks a lot to both of you !

[Admiral_Shanks]

Good? It's bloody brilliant.

Damn straight! :D

Trust the Lady everyone. Its awsome.

Did you know there were two different endings? I only found out recently. The cinema ending is different from the DVD ending!

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[Admiral_Shanks]

****SPOILER****







Well, rather then the ending when he does what he does in the womb, instead he went back to a birthday party where the girl was and threatens her never to talk to him again... then it cuts back to him... and they see each other in the street... and thats it. All over.

I think I like the DVD version better. Though had they left him in the wheelchair, that would have been a real headfuck. Gald in a way they didn't though. Sometimes that hollywood ending just makes more sense :)

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[Admiral_Shanks]

Aaaaah... I see.

Well, i look delightfully dumb :lol:

Either way, butterfly effect IS brilliant! :D

Oh, and dont you just LOVE my new picture...

Bloody PC's.

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[Admiral_Shanks]

No... no there wasn't :P

and now it seems to be just a blank sceen! :lol:

Anyway, your points on the BE were quite good ones... and I would (and will) go into them in depth at some point.

However it was still well thought out and the begining WAS shocking in parts. And I guess my thought on the whole 'everything was either good or bad' 'no characters were fully developed' coments... well, sometimes I guess life just CAN be that bad... and I have no idea what my point was.

I MUST stop coming here so late...

[imitation is suicide]

i just watched The Butterfly Effect.

i started enjoying it at around 01:42:09 when oasis kicked in for the closing credits.

would anyone care to tell me what the womb deal is/was? the ending i just saw was the birthday party one.

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[Admiral_Shanks]

i just watched The Butterfly Effect.

i started enjoying it at around 01:42:09 when oasis kicked in for the closing credits.

Damnit! You kinda blew my argument out of the water there :wink:




would anyone care to tell me what the womb deal is/was? the ending i just saw was the birthday party one.

And in the DVD ending he goes back into the womb and strangles himself. Good... but not great.

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[Admiral_Shanks]

Man, you really DO have hold a grudge well don you :roll: :lol:

I have already explained that I do not have the time to spend (waste) arguing with you! Its not that I just LIKED the film... its that, though maybe predictable, it was well thought out, clever, shocking, and above all entertaining. In parts it gripped you, in parts it 'could' (I'll grant you it didn't) have made you cry.

Anyway, I have already spent more time on this then I would like, so I shall simply finish by saying, though *o* is wrong ( :twisted: ), I suggest everyone watch this movie and make your own judgements.

That is all.

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[Admiral_Shanks]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[fatwoul]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

" " " " " "

[Centaure]

Last night ,I went back to watch Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind with my love, and, after the end credits, I noticed that Random House edited the screenplay...

They might enjoy twisted stories !

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[fatwoul]

<marquee behavior=alternate>tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac tic tac </marquee>

Dammit I really want some Tic Tacs now and all I have is gum. :(

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[Admiral_Shanks]

I just checked in my dictionary, and it appears tic tac is french for tick tock. Hope you still got the idea. :lol:

I did wonder at first... but I guessed what you meant :lol:


I had all but forgotten about this as well....

Will write more soon... Promise :twisted:

[h0tmetals]

Well, I didn't really like it.

[Ellimist]

Well, I didn't really like it.

Heathen!
Infidel!
Blasphemer!
How dare you defile the good name that is The Butterfly Effect?

Rabble rabble rabble rabble...

and other such things...

haha, merely kidding... why did you not like it?

edit:fixed odd "not you not" typo

[h0tmetals]

Well, I just felt that it has recentally jumped into the spotlight of trendy movies. Just because some movie has a great soundtrack and is highlighted by the media as some divine movie dosen't make it that great. I just never really got into the plot of things, thats all.

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[Ellimist]

I liked the cinematography, and the attempt to tie everything back to chaos theory.

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[Admiral_Shanks]

:roll:



:lol:

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[1exist]

The question would rather be : why did you like it ?

Some people look for reasons to dislike something, others for reasons to like it. I haven't seen the Butterfly Effect, but I'm sure that if I did I could find both. My personal inclination, given what I know, is that I would find more reasons to dislike it. But that's not to say it didn't look cool.

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[Ellimist]

Watch Soy Cuba by Mikheil Kalatozishvili.

I just looked it up on IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058604/)... and it seems very interesting. thanks.

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[fatwoul]

I liked the cinematography
Watch Soy Cuba by Mikheil Kalatozishvili.

Ahh Bisto. Or some kind of vegetarian alternative.

[Aziphale]

in no way was i going to read every idiots rant about this movie so i went from page 1 to 7 so bear with me. butterfly effect was just another b movie. it was mindblowing or groundbreak, however it didnt suck. point of fact i watched it twice. now i was one of the guys who didnt think the matrix was all that just becuase it had badass fx. i thought it was all that becuase it was a new spin on the terminator " theory" and yes i thing Arnold would have made a fucking great computer nerd for this one.
Anyways as far as the butterfly effect is concerned i see it as part of some new mind fuck trend that started with fight club and will end who knows where (both great novies) but hey im down.if i wasnt i wouldnt have read about the house and ended up at this site.
for those of you who want to enjoy a truelly great movie try cool hand luke.

[Aziphale]

second sentence i ment "wasnt" i have this habit of not looking at the keys, please pick apart all other typos

[1exist]

second sentence i ment "wasnt" i have this habit of not looking at the keys, please pick apart all other typos

There's an edit button. I wouldn't invite the picking apart though, some people here really enjoy it.

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[fatwoul]

...I wouldn't invite the...

Lies.


...picking apart though, some...

Lies!


...people here really enjoy it.

VICIOUS LIES!

[Admiral_Shanks]

Hey! Where'd my post go? :cry:

[1exist]

Hey! Where'd my post go? :cry:

Sunk?

[Admiral_Shanks]

I dont know!

I put something about how the BE was good (just to tease *o* :) ) but I cant seem to see it!

What happens when they're sunk?

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[Aziphale]

yes a comparison, maybe i should have said something more like spider man compared to superman. that should spawn a better debate anyways.

[Ellimist]

Smallville's Lois Lane, Canadian actress Erica Durance, will star in New Line's upcoming direct-to-video sequel to The Butterfly Effect, the Moviehole.net Web site reported.

Durance and an as-yet-unannounced male lead will report to the film's Vancouver, Canada, set from Jan. 9 to Feb. 7, the site reported, citing anonymous sources.

Cinematographer John Leonetti (Star Trek: Insurrection) will make his feature-film directorial debut on the sequel.

A representative at New Line told the site that the sequel is aiming at a 2006 release.
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[sutrix]

Smallville's Lois Lane, Canadian actress Erica Durance, will star in New Line's upcoming direct-to-video sequel to The Butterfly Effect, the Moviehole.net Web site reported.

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Oh cheer up, Ell. Getting a shitty sequel for a shitty movie is better than getting a shitty sequel for a good movie.

[naught]

Just noticed there's a Butterfly Effect 2.
Swell!